Curse

Siddious · May 29, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

ffs why are monks always complaining. You get into groups easy and at least you get thanks.
We mesmers have a tough time getting into groups plus nobody ever thanks us because they don't know what the hell we are doing.
Stop being selfish and think about others before you write into these forums.

Hailfall · May 29, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Hmm.. I am sticking to Henchies for now.. or people that I know and trust..

Today I tried to do the Temple mission as Monk (where you kill those bound spirits). The first group I had went okay until the Ranger started getting RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOy and said that he wouldn't die (and aggroed everything while doing so). So I whispered the other healer that I wasn't going to heal + res him anymore. See if he would be as tough after that. Mind you, I normally don't do this but before we got to the mission he was already being an ass so I didn't care anymore. The other healer agreed. Then when he died he started calling me a bitch and saying I suck as a healer. (Uh you said you wouldn't die? :P). He then says that he is going to aggro EVERYTHING to test my healing abilities.. That in my book is not nice because it brings your whole party in danger. We get to the last boss and he aggroes the whole map.. and we die.. *Sigh*

I took a break and try again..
This time we have an lvl 18 Monk with us. We start off fine then one of the minions of the MM aggro the other group and we die because I kept getting interrupted. 2 survive and the monk leaves... So here is a group with only 1 Healer (me) who is lagging. Because I was soo frustrated by everything (bad day with PUGs) I told everyone to stay close together and don't aggro anything thats unnecessary. So we continue.. We finally (after 27) finish the mission and only had a few deaths.. The rest of the team told me I was a good monk and did an awesome job at the healing.

But yeah.. after these experiences.. I am sticking to henchies.. Because everyone nowadays seem to be complete morons... :\ (or I just only meet the morons.. that's also possible)

NinjaKai · May 29, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Summer

1. If you die do not blame us!! Look things happen, but do you think
you make us more eager to heal if you complain that we let you die? Don't
count on it, I'll save my energy to heal someone that appreciates their monks.

You respect me I respect you. Thats always worked for me.

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Originally Posted by Summer

5. Dont start out with gogogogo - When we are ready we'll tell you.
Impatience makes us hate you from the start. Please don't act like you are
9... Maybe you are, I don't know.

Monks are just as bad as anyone else. I've heard this from people of all professions.

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Originally Posted by Summer

7. If we do die, please please please do not rebirth us in the middle of
a battle. You see, if we are lucky enough to run away from the monster
standing on top of us when we are rezzed, we start with about 1/4 of our
health, ZERO energy and an eight second delay of our skills.

I think thats a general hated one for any profession. Even being a warrior bought back in the middle of a fight is futile since you'll die from a melee monster sandwich.

Seren · May 29, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Need to add one thing (sorry if it has already been said ) - quit adding a monk and Warrior duo and the kicking the warrior since you only wanted a monk coz guys, there a reason why we are duo which is usually guild members / friends / or amazingly 'partner teams' - *grin* gotta love it that I'm a warrior and my husbands a monk - all you do is get added to our 'idiots ignor these guys' sent out in guild and alliance messages *evil chuckle*

Have to say - I appreciate all you monks out there because I, from a third person perspective, understand how hard it is to monk and how much concentration it takes (trust me I hear the swearing!).

One final comment ... 55 monks - please tell us that you intend to do zero healing / protection and cause 100% agro when you join the party! It at least prepares us and allows us to accomodate you.

PS -

to respond to several comments as to why monks complain - its because so many idiots think they are god and will not die and then procede to blame to monk when they hit the deck after agroing the entire map all at once - come on, it only takes minor intelligence (which you obviously struggle with) to understand they get pissed at you for that! - rant over!

BowLad21 · May 29, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

As a monk, I feel the pain. Another Complaint I have are the fellow monks who have an ele staff and ele focus. I ran into a monk teammate who had a fire focus, and only ~43 max energy. Just a tip for monks, our energy is what saves the team.

I recently ran into a A/Rit in Naphui Quarter. Evidentally, the Rit side of him said I'll heal you buddy, and the Assasin side said We don't need a monk! So he ran the opposite direction into a group, because he "wanted the chest". Our tank ran after him to rez, and ended up with 2 groups. Please do not split the group, us monks can't keep up healing if we have to run to do it.

On an ending note, when the monk calls a target, attack it. This means your life-blood is seeping away. Especially in Napui Quarter, where a group of two Star Sentinels can neutralize a monk in 4-5 hits. I ended up running a henchway for Naphui, I couldn't get a good team.

lg5000 · May 30, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siddious

ffs why are monks always complaining. You get into groups easy and at least you get thanks.
We mesmers have a tough time getting into groups plus nobody ever thanks us because they don't know what the hell we are doing.
Stop being selfish and think about others before you write into these forums.

Damn, my mesmer gets blind invites, how do I stop that from happening?

NJudson · May 30, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Seren

One final comment ... 55 monks - please tell us that you intend to do zero healing / protection and cause 100% agro when you join the party! It at least prepares us and allows us to accomodate you.

No kidding. I'm on my 3rd character and have been playing Guild Wars since last November and up until maybe a month ago I've never had a 55 monk join any of my PUG. Since then it seems to be happening more and more. I know 55 monks have been around for a long time, but they seem to be more common now. Is this because the cost of the superior monk runes have decreased several weeks ago? Anyway, I definetely make a point to ask any Mo/W that I see joining a group if they are a 55 monk or not. 55 monks have their place in farming and other odd spots in the game, but on a lot of missions and quests they totally suck!!!

Sacho · May 30, 2006, 03:35 AM // 03:35

I'll admit I didn't read the whole thread(ouch), but I'd like to add my 2 cents to it.

Whenever I manage to convince myself PvE isn't mind numbingly boring, I enjoy taking up a PuG to help them with a mission. However, selecting the group is half the work. I prefer to be leader, because there's a long talk ahead of us before we start the mission. Sure, it may be frustrating to good players, but I want to know what my group is like before we jump in and die after half an hour of struggling.

I talk each player through their skills, armor(infusion), whether they want the bonus or if they've done the mission before. Sorry, if you don't respond, I'd just kick you - if you're having problems speaking english you could at least say so and we might think of an alternative(hell I had one italian guy tell me his skills in italian and I would rush to google to translate them

)

Second, if you're an experienced monk, don't be shy to lead the party. One thing I really really really really hate is people not listening. I can take you making a mistake, everyone makes mistakes. But not listening to me(or whoever pointed it out) and continously making the mistake means you'll be spectating the rest of the mission. This includes tanks using frenzy, casters aggroing, etc, etc. I do find it that after being selective with your PuG, this rarely happens. Most people who are talkative would see what you're telling them, and correct their playing style.

Kurow · May 30, 2006, 03:57 AM // 03:57

As a monk I've yet to get any of those problems... but I guess hes not even level 20 yet.

CorstedPirate · May 30, 2006, 09:20 AM // 09:20

I am tired of the whinning monk threads.

Everyone has to deal with the idiots, not just the monks. It is nothing new that the idiots blame their idiocy on us(the monks).

It is great that anet decided to make a class that has a bit more healing ability then the others. We all know that Ritualists don't compare in healing power to monks, but they are nice all the same. If people would rather have a Ritualist in their group than a whinny egotistical monk, I can't blame them at all.

EDIT: I would like to say again, my main character is a monk. I have about 400 hours of time on my monk alone. I just can't stand seeing people swear that no other class gets treated as badly. We all have to deal with crappy people, crappy groups, and new people. Today I saw the first person I know for certain was new in quite some time. All I could say was "new to GW how novel, I kinda miss it."

Nevin · May 30, 2006, 10:26 AM // 10:26

This is just asking for a flame.. I find it rather funny. Monks whine and whine yet all the other professions are content as can be. Ritualists can heal just as good as monks with restoration magic + spirits, so a Monk's job is not as needed as much so.

Henchies > Egoistic Monks

Ure Maker · May 30, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

another helpful hint to other players is...

if u got a hard res USE it let us monks use our energy on keeping the team alive

the amount of times iv seen some1 use something like ressurect or rebirth or wat not and when im monking they tell me to rez the warrior

my reply is

"STFU u got a hard res, the warrior is a tipical WAMMO running thinkin that extra armour he has will prevent death,"

"i seen u got a HARD RES SO U USE IT AND ILL KEEP US ALIVE"

player X has left the game

as well as when i die the warrior REBIRTHS me with 20 enemies does he think ill rebirth in the sky or something USE youre brain i cant heal u when im running away, not being able to use healing spells, and having no energy plus i gotta heal my self after a rebirth

many people believe that caus you are a monk that
1. They will never die
2. U will never die (the monk)
3. Doin a bit of n00bness and luring the whole F'in map is ok caus theres 1 monk and 2 Wars and a echo nuker
4. that there is a energy power line that runs up the monks a$ so that he will nvr run out of energy

i know how difficult it can be when u gotta heal the whole team sometimes i accept a team with no monks and a wammo leader -,- (the shame) so he accepts the first person who wants to join and hits enter battle,

so... i will tell U ma skills bar -,- u propably will flame me with SUCH AND SUCH IS BTR N0ob

1.Healing Breeze-Use it with degen no point using a straight heal when there life is still goin down

2.Orison of Healing-low energy gud heal output

3.Word of healing-IMO best healing elite, doubles when life is low, and low energy cost, altho monks cant use it themselves

4.Healing Touch-more of a skill used to heal ME the monk u know the guy trying to keep ya a$ up, plus low energy cost

5.Jamies Gaze-high energy tho 190 heal with 16 healing

6. Signit Of Devotion- deals gud healing (divine) NO ENERGY COST

7.Heal Party- EMERGENCIES ONLY SPELL for me high energy cost for a monk but usefull when that wammo lures

8. RES chant (canthan spell) used to have REBIRTH but whats the point

healing 16
rest stacked in divine

divine is well for me the best support attribute

flame me if u wish but well i can support a whole team with this build and find that my energy hardly ever runs out

BTW note to necros or -/n BR in a team doesnt go a miss

generik · May 30, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ure Maker

1.Healing Breeze-Use it with degen no point using a straight heal when there life is still goin down

2.Orison of Healing-low energy gud heal output

3.Word of healing-IMO best healing elite, doubles when life is low, and low energy cost, altho monks cant use it themselves

Where's Dwayna's Kiss?

IMO I think that really separates the noobs from the leet talking wannabes, and IMO healing light >>>>>>> Word of healing BIG TIME. Once I got it, it never left my bar unless I'm running the usual boon prot.

Retribution X · May 30, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

I just Use my Uber boon heal build. Never let a player die yet...

And yes, I've beaten all of prophecies, and some of factions.

Evilsod · May 30, 2006, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by generik

Where's Dwayna's Kiss?

IMO I think that really separates the noobs from the leet talking wannabes, and IMO healing light >>>>>>> Word of healing BIG TIME. Once I got it, it never left my bar unless I'm running the usual boon prot.

Not having Factions makes that a wee bit difficult

And when i'm feeling lazy (or we have a bonder) Healing Hands > WoH.

Tbh the most irritating thing i've found when playing as a monk is been told when to heal. Do you not think i've noticed your dieing! If you've been at low health for 10 seconds, fine spam your health, if you've been knocked down to 25% for 0.5 seconds and start spamming, i'm probably already casting! Its worse when playing THK... getting told to heal the king is so annoying, what the hell do you think i'm gonna do! If you keep looking at his health so much heal him your f*cking self, since your obviously not doing anything else.

OS T · May 30, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

In my opinion the monks are the most important proffesion in gw since we keep all members alive.without us the other will die as flyes.so ppl gotta appreciate monks more

Retribution X · May 30, 2006, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Tbh the most irritating thing i've found when playing as a monk is been told when to heal. Do you not think i've noticed your dieing! If you've been at low health for 10 seconds, fine spam your health, if you've been knocked down to 25% for 0.5 seconds and start spamming, i'm probably already casting! Its worse when playing THK... getting told to heal the king is so annoying, what the hell do you think i'm gonna do! If you keep looking at his health so much heal him your f*cking self, since your obviously not doing anything else.

/Agree.

They usually don't realise WHY I don't heal them when they drop about 100 health. I don't heal them then because My lowest heal Heals for 121 health!

I'm not gonna waste my energy because arn't thinking.

I can even keep henchies alive. (Considering they have NO Brain, It's kinda hard.)

Evilsod · May 30, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyxa

In my opinion the monks are the most important proffesion in gw since we keep all members alive.without us the other will die as flyes.so ppl gotta appreciate monks more

I'm not asking them to appreciate us more, i'm asking them to not at like we are f*cking stupid. If they wanna appreciate us, fine. If they seem to think we're stupid (in 9/10 cases we do actually know what we're doing) then they get as much as healing as they deserve.
Not often i refuse to heal someone, only 1 i remember was a cretin of a wammo in Abaddons Mouth spamming Frenzy and running in first.

[FnG] Lazz · May 30, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

I hardly think monks are treated badly. With my most recent character, a Mo/Rt, I flew through the game because it was so easy to get a group. I could sometimes join a district and get 1 or 2 join requests without even saying anything.

The most annoying things thats ever happened to me (which has happened on several occasions) is when Ive been my W/Mo or A/W and Ive been in a group, waiting around for a while, only for a monk to join and say they want me kicked. Its these monks which seem to think they are so far above everyone else that its an honour to have them in our group and that we must comply to their demands. Luckily these monks are *very* rare.

Tijger · May 30, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by tyxa

In my opinion the monks are the most important proffesion in gw since we keep all members alive.without us the other will die as flyes.so ppl gotta appreciate monks more

Disagree.

I just dont want to be blamed for the actions of bad players that cause them to die in the first place. As a monk I dont expect praise or appreciation, civility will do fine.

Also, lets not forget there are plenty of bad monks out there too who couldnt heal themselves out of a wet paper bag.